Comments on: Everything I need to know I learned from the emerging church* http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:02:18 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Doug Bonneville http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-31147 Doug Bonneville Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:39:15 +0000 http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/#comment-31147 Exactly - Tradition of the Non-Apostles started at the Reformation, and Protestantism has been stuck ever since. I think the traditions of the Reformation are in fact part of God's judgement, as the very nature of Protestantism is hobbled by what it staunchly professes (sola scriptura) and therefore can never coalesce. Right - so who gets to interpret the sola scriptura anyway? That's the devil in that detail, is it not? So, sola scriptura must go. Protestantism simply deconstructs itself every so often - that is its internal essence, right? So, the emerging church is a deconstruction, truthfully and in all honesty, of what can and rightly should be deconstructed. "That which can be shaken will be shaken" so that what cannot be shaken will remain. The unshakable, however, simply remains unshaken. And we should look to that rock for stability instead of glorying in the building of and deconstruction of Protestant sand-castles. That rock is in Rome, and is misunderstood or simply not recognized, especially from the outside. Rome, despite the best efforts of evil priests and Popes, still survives. If people inside it can't destroy, much less people from the outside. There is thread of truth in all things emerging that longs for Rome. Mystery, spirituality, lack of coercion, extremely diverse. If only people knew... Exactly – Tradition of the Non-Apostles started at the Reformation, and Protestantism has been stuck ever since. I think the traditions of the Reformation are in fact part of God's judgement, as the very nature of Protestantism is hobbled by what it staunchly professes (sola scriptura) and therefore can never coalesce. Right – so who gets to interpret the sola scriptura anyway? That's the devil in that detail, is it not? So, sola scriptura must go. Protestantism simply deconstructs itself every so often – that is its internal essence, right? So, the emerging church is a deconstruction, truthfully and in all honesty, of what can and rightly should be deconstructed. "That which can be shaken will be shaken" so that what cannot be shaken will remain. The unshakable, however, simply remains unshaken. And we should look to that rock for stability instead of glorying in the building of and deconstruction of Protestant sand-castles. That rock is in Rome, and is misunderstood or simply not recognized, especially from the outside. Rome, despite the best efforts of evil priests and Popes, still survives. If people inside it can't destroy, much less people from the outside. There is thread of truth in all things emerging that longs for Rome. Mystery, spirituality, lack of coercion, extremely diverse. If only people knew…

]]> By: Doug Bonneville http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-31148 Doug Bonneville Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:39:15 +0000 http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/#comment-31148 Exactly - Tradition of the Non-Apostles started at the Reformation, and Protestantism has been stuck ever since. I think the traditions of the Reformation are in fact part of God's judgement, as the very nature of Protestantism is hobbled by what it staunchly professes (sola scriptura) and therefore can never coalesce. Right - so who gets to interpret the sola scriptura anyway? That's the devil in that detail, is it not? So, sola scriptura must go. Protestantism simply deconstructs itself every so often - that is its internal essence, right? So, the emerging church is a deconstruction, truthfully and in all honesty, of what can and rightly should be deconstructed. "That which can be shaken will be shaken" so that what cannot be shaken will remain. The unshakable, however, simply remains unshaken. And we should look to that rock for stability instead of glorying in the building of and deconstruction of Protestant sand-castles. That rock is in Rome, and is misunderstood or simply not recognized, especially from the outside. Rome, despite the best efforts of evil priests and Popes, still survives. If people inside it can't destroy, much less people from the outside. There is thread of truth in all things emerging that longs for Rome. Mystery, spirituality, lack of coercion, extremely diverse. If only people knew... Exactly – Tradition of the Non-Apostles started at the Reformation, and Protestantism has been stuck ever since. I think the traditions of the Reformation are in fact part of God's judgement, as the very nature of Protestantism is hobbled by what it staunchly professes (sola scriptura) and therefore can never coalesce. Right – so who gets to interpret the sola scriptura anyway? That's the devil in that detail, is it not? So, sola scriptura must go. Protestantism simply deconstructs itself every so often – that is its internal essence, right? So, the emerging church is a deconstruction, truthfully and in all honesty, of what can and rightly should be deconstructed. "That which can be shaken will be shaken" so that what cannot be shaken will remain. The unshakable, however, simply remains unshaken. And we should look to that rock for stability instead of glorying in the building of and deconstruction of Protestant sand-castles. That rock is in Rome, and is misunderstood or simply not recognized, especially from the outside. Rome, despite the best efforts of evil priests and Popes, still survives. If people inside it can't destroy, much less people from the outside. There is thread of truth in all things emerging that longs for Rome. Mystery, spirituality, lack of coercion, extremely diverse. If only people knew…

]]> By: Tim Mathis http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-8456 Tim Mathis Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:30:50 +0000 http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/#comment-8456 Hi Jake, Thanks for the note on my site. I like the post, and I'm definitely seeing the overlap in thought! I'm also interested to read your article on the emerging church and youth ministry--I'm a youth minister myself and was just today discussing with a friend what youth ministry in the emerging ethos should look like. (Some of that vision made it onto our website today, which is http://fuzionstudents.blogspot.com). Unfortunately there's no time now to do so, because I've got to prepare a delicious (thanksgiving leftover) dinner for my wife, who will soon arrive home from work. God bless, Tim Hi Jake,

Thanks for the note on my site. I like the post, and I’m definitely seeing the overlap in thought!

I’m also interested to read your article on the emerging church and youth ministry–I’m a youth minister myself and was just today discussing with a friend what youth ministry in the emerging ethos should look like. (Some of that vision made it onto our website today, which is http://fuzionstudents.blogspot.com). Unfortunately there’s no time now to do so, because I’ve got to prepare a delicious (thanksgiving leftover) dinner for my wife, who will soon arrive home from work.

God bless,

Tim

]]> By: Marie Byars http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-6532 Marie Byars Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:31:06 +0000 http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/#comment-6532 Hey! How about, "If a one-handed Buddhist claps in the woods and no one hears him, did it make a sound?" Truly, being "middle-of-the-road" in most of my thinking, I like certain of the "freshness" that comes from this movement, esp. the shedding of legalism. But I still value liturgical form, whether done with classical or well-written (and theologically appropriate) contemporary. Hey! How about, “If a one-handed Buddhist claps in the woods and no one hears him, did it make a sound?”

Truly, being “middle-of-the-road” in most of my thinking, I like certain of the “freshness” that comes from this movement, esp. the shedding of legalism. But I still value liturgical form, whether done with classical or well-written (and theologically appropriate) contemporary.

]]> By: Paul http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-5917 Paul Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:47:40 +0000 http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/#comment-5917 Don't forget the emergent motivational posters: http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/posters.htm Don’t forget the emergent motivational posters: http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/posters.htm

]]> By: Mykel http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-5835 Mykel Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:51:07 +0000 http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/#comment-5835 108. Hating Mark Driscoll is required 109. Loving Rob Bell is essential 108. Hating Mark Driscoll is required
109. Loving Rob Bell is essential

]]> By: Therevhead http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-5816 Therevhead Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:11:23 +0000 http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/#comment-5816 101. Hillsong and globalisation are comparable evils 102. Bono is both inerrant and infallible in all matters of faith 103. To be 'clothed in righteousness' means always having to wear a black T-shirt 104. It's called "preaching a sermon" and it's an irrelevant monologue when YOU do it - but it's "Engaging the text and inviting a response" when I do it. 105. Microsoft is a symptom of colonization by the enlightenment 106. Anything sounds more palatable with the word "Liquid" in the title 107. Logos ad names must reek of post-grunge ambiguity. 101. Hillsong and globalisation are comparable evils

102. Bono is both inerrant and infallible in all matters of faith

103. To be ‘clothed in righteousness’ means always having to wear a black T-shirt

104. It’s called “preaching a sermon” and it’s an irrelevant monologue when YOU do it – but it’s “Engaging the text and inviting a response” when I do it.

105. Microsoft is a symptom of colonization by the enlightenment

106. Anything sounds more palatable with the word “Liquid” in the title

107. Logos ad names must reek of post-grunge ambiguity.

]]> By: bob Pearson http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-5813 bob Pearson Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:44:19 +0000 http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/#comment-5813 Nice satire. Now we just need to compile a real list. Things like: it is not about the dogma, it is all about Jesus All are welcome. Always! It is not about the worship it is about Kingdom living Many voices are better than one. Jesus' teachings really are hard to live, but that is what we are called to do as Christians. Our culture is teaching us the wrong things etc... Nice satire.

Now we just need to compile a real list.

Things like:
it is not about the dogma, it is all about Jesus
All are welcome. Always!
It is not about the worship it is about Kingdom living
Many voices are better than one.
Jesus’ teachings really are hard to live, but that is what we are called to do as Christians.
Our culture is teaching us the wrong things
etc…

]]> By: kevin http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-5809 kevin Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:28:52 +0000 http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/#comment-5809 Number 18 needs to be re-dacted: Tradition is overrated if it started after the reformation. If it includes the use of candles, chanting, icons, or Latin it is currently undervalued in the evangelical ministirial/cultural industrial complex (see also 16). Number 18 needs to be re-dacted:

Tradition is overrated if it started after the reformation. If it includes the use of candles, chanting, icons, or Latin it is currently undervalued in the evangelical ministirial/cultural industrial complex (see also 16).

]]> By: MCpastor http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-5798 MCpastor Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:30:00 +0000 http://www.jakebouma.com/2007/09/19/everything-i-need-to-know-i-learned-from-the-emerging-church/#comment-5798 #100 - It's much more responsible to gripe about mainline churches being too materialistic and not missional enough while sipping Starbucks. #100 – It’s much more responsible to gripe about mainline churches being too materialistic and not missional enough while sipping Starbucks.

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